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Commento di 11034

Omg some people can be so daft.
Here, what are some of the stats you can get from gear, that are most important to the rogue class.
Any skilled rogue would tell you Chance to Hit, Chance to Crit, then Agility, then Attack Power.
Why is this?
Well, rogues have the Dual-Wield Penalty, first off, so they miss...a lot. See, that rogues hit for 300 is doing more damage than your backstab that missed. Missed attacks = 0 damage.
Then the rest, I don't need to explain.
Now, this set gives mainly attack power. A medicore amount of Critical Strike.
First off, you need to know about the Combat Ratings System. It's why everything says "x Parry Rating" or "y Hit Rating". The combat ratings system was designed for 1 purpose. To prevent any class from achieving 100% Critical Strike Chance. They did this, because no matter what level you are, 1% Critical Strike on the item is 1% for a Lv.35 player, and it's still 1% for a level 70 player.
Now, with the Combat Ratings System, it scales down every value to be only 63% effective of it's original value. Let me explain.
Lv.60: 14 Critical Strike Rating = 1% critical
Lv.70: 14 Critical Strike Rating =0.63% critical
Lv.60: 10 Hit Rating = 1% hit
Lv.70: 10 Hit Rating = 0.63% hit
So at level 70, if you had 14 critical strike rating, and 10 hit rating, you would need to get +6 more hit rating, and +8 more critical strike rating, to get the same effect you had at level 60.
To shorten things, as you level up, you get weaker.
Now, Deathmantle adds +49 Critical Strike Rating. That's only 2.2% Critical Strike at Lv.70.
Wanna know what adds +2% critical strike from gear right now?
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=22478
There's 2% crit from 1 items Critical Strike Rating. As opposed to an ENTIRE SET.

In Total, here's the T5 Set for ya..Including agility for the total amount you would receive from the set.
2.8% Hit
4.7% Crit
≈5% Dodge
469 Attack Power.

Here's T3 Set for you.
7% hit
15% Crit
10% Dodge
478 Attack power.

Now, I know that t3 has 9 pieces, and t5 only has 5 peices. But Set vs Set, don't you think we're getting ripped off? So, you're going to get another 10% Critical Strike from 4 more items to make up the difference?
The Deathmantle Set is abhorring for Combat and Assasination spec'd Rogues, since their Builds are very dependent on Critical Strikes and Chance to hit. On the other hand, because of the amount of raw Attack Power, this set would be Ideal for Subtlety/Hemo Build rogues. Hemorrhage and Ghostly Strike would receive a full bonus from the attack power, since they are not Normalized. And the Rogues Garrote, Rupture, and Eviscerate all receive a bonus from attack power.

Commento di 11038

With More Hit, Crit, and Stam and almost as much AP it looks like T5 is only a side grade to T4.

T4
3.375% HIt
5.105% Crit
410 AP
1490 HP

T5
2.8%Crit
4.7% Hit
469 AP
1190 HP

Commento di 6880

So in actuality for the complete T3 set at level 70 your receiving

11% Crit
4% hit
478AP

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T5
2.8% Hit
4.7% Crit
≈5% Dodge
469 Attack Power.

Now take into consideration that you need to be wearing all 9 peices of the T3 set to aquire those bonuses, and you see where the T5 set makes its mark. T5 requires you wear 5 peices. That gives you 2 really nice set bonuses. ALSO since its only 5 peices you can take advantage of other sets. FOR INSTANCE:
5/5 T5
4/9 T4

2.8% Hit
4.7% Crit
≈5% Dodge
469 Attack Power.

2 pieces: Your Eviscerate and Envenom abilities cause 40 extra damage per combo point.
4 pieces: Your attacks have a chance to make your next finishing move cost no energy.

PLUS

4.51% Crit
1.3% Hit
177 AP

2 pieces: Your normal melee swings have a chance to Invigorate you, healing you for 90 to 110.
4 pieces: Your Backstab, Sinister Strike, and Hemorrhage critical hits cause you to regain 5 energy.
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Now simple math to combine them:
9.21% Crit
4.1% Hit
646 AP

2 pieces: Your normal melee swings have a chance to Invigorate you, healing you for 90 to 110.
4 pieces: Your Backstab, Sinister Strike, and Hemorrhage critical hits cause you to regain 5 energy.

2 pieces: Your Eviscerate and Envenom abilities cause 40 extra damage per combo point.
4 pieces: Your attacks have a chance to make your next finishing move cost no energy.

Baisicly as more items and sets are added into the game the more usefull these smaller sets will become. Please don't knock things without completly acknowleding the usefullness of it. Because they really are good.

Commento di fox13

and let's not forget that t5 gives 2 blue, 2 red, 2 yellow and 1 meta socket to play with ;)

(which also give a +7crit rating, +8 attack power bonus)

there are many good gems out there that add crit/hit/attackpower and even speciall meta effects to further boost the stats of the set

in any case i don't believe that rogues are the one class that gets the short stick of the bargain since all over the board the new tier sets are not that much of an upgrade

Commento di 19506

I think the word "Side-grade" is well on its place.

Blizzard crewmen have said countless times in nearly all the interviews they had, that they wanted to even things out across all the playing fields.
So, for...

solo folk -> BoP crafted epix that would probably take quite some raidtime to complete the harvest.

pvp folk -> (needless to say), pvp gear and gladiator rewards, aswell as seasonal rewards for the top-off-the-line.

pve folk -> raid instance drops and tiered items as well as the aquired sets out there.

So far I come to believe all the items in all fields are pretty much similar in strength when combined on average respectivly.

I speculate to say: they probably did this to ensure everybody has a chance to set their goals, without feeling completely left out by blizz-love. Afterall, they said pretty exlusively, they wanted to create a game for everybody.

Commento di Doodskreet

it scares me that it looks a bit like one of the armors that have been used in Mortal Combat but besides that... The undead looks sexy in that suit

Commento di 18009

ULTIMATE GEM BUILD FOR THIS SET:

Swift Skyfire Diamond (Meta)
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=25894

Bold Ornate Ruby (Red)
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28362#00z

Bright Living Ruby (Red)
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=24031

Smooth Ornate Dawnstone (Yellow)
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28119

Smooth Dawnstone (Yellow)
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=24048

Solid Star of Elune x2 (Blue)
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=24033

The gems alone will add:
+Minor Run Speed Increase
+60 AP
+18 Crit Rating
+24 Stam

With bonuses:
+Minor Run Speed
+68 AP
+25 Crit Rating
+24 Stam

Total (including gems and socket bonuses):
1540 Armor
89 Agi
143 Stam
448 AP
20 Dodge
45 Hit
74 Crit
(I have no idea what the Crit/Hit/Dodge to % ratio is nor do i know the EXACT Agi to AP/Crit/Dodge/Armor or Stam to HP ratio... so, the stats above are raw... any info on a place to plug all the #s into to get these or even the equations would be nice...)

The total average BO price according to WoWHead on the gems would be about 449g (mega easy since Burning Crusade) and a lot of PvP

NOTE: I designed this around a BS/Ambush Subt Rogue... your BS and Ambush crits are going to be INSANE w/ a nice dag(https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28312 ;D), uber enchants and the T3/T5 combo mentioned in an earlier comment...

Commento di 27385

In the summary board below the T5 set the" 89 agility,119 stamina,380 att pow, 20 dodge rat, 45 hit rat and 49 crit rat " is what you earned from this set without socket bonuses and without what each socket can give you. In my personal opinion sockets RULES! A set , and thats for all classes of the game give you some basic advantages that will help you generally and its also give you the sockets,so you can focus where you think it could help more depended in the talents you use and the skills you play with most....now about this set look how the summary stats can become if you add the socket bonuses and some fine sockets for rogues that sooner or later all players can have..

"99 agility , 131 stamina 396 att pow ,25 dodge rat ,53 hit rat and 89 crit rat " ...i want to say at the end that the sockets i choose to fill with this sets add stats to all stats that this set give..if someone need crit rating or hit rating or att pow,he can focus more in one stat only ...also a final comment for rogues...rogues take lots of crit for some of their skills from their talents...so any of their sets cant have too much crit..because as many people said before none must have 100% crit in some of their skill...its cheating :)

Commento di Pwnizzle

wow its not fair...undead usually look the coolest in rogue sets but with T5 undead rogues look like...crap. So thin and comical looking wit that big piece of metal on ur head...how is that meant to be scary? I MEAN COME ON BLIZZ, make us look like the warrior set, or the warlock set...were like the only class that doesnt get cool looking shoulders. :'(

Commento di 18009

guess what i just read: "All epic items of Tier 5 and beyond quality have been upgraded to reflect their intended power."... found this in the PTR patch notes here: http://worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html

Now all you guyz that have been complaining about how bad this set sux can be happy... see, Blizz likes us... well our cash... but still...

Commento di 44188

While not outstanding stat-wise, the set bonuses can be truly amazing with a Mutilate build. The 2pc is a decent buff to envenom, and the 4pc (which procs pretty decently) can make a very big difference in your number of instant finishers.
While testing on unkillable mobs with a pally friend holding aggro, I was able to get off around 3 4-5CP envenoms before having to refresh S&D.

Commento di 34000

The upgraded stats:

Chest:
16 stam
10 hit
25 crit rate
100 ap

Helm:
30 agi
28 stam
72 ap

Shoulders:
29 agi
13 stam
20 dodge rate
40 ap

Legs:
34 stam
15 hit rate
24 crit rate
110 ap

Gloves:
30 agi
28 stam
20 hit rate
58 ap

Total:
89 agi vs 160
119 stam vs 173
20 dodge rate vs 20
45 hit rate vs 30
49 crit rate vs 41
380 ap vs 306

Commento di 44702

lol... everyone in here is talking only about different sets and sockets.

stop basing things on just one set. T5 is only 5 pieces so you get
what you get out of that. now it depends on whatever pieces you blend with it. do the math there. if some sets are 9 peices then compare it the same with another set of 9 pieces so you get the total bonuses out of the sets.

T5 is overall best if you add the extra pieces from T3 set.
you add that with the sockets and your garaunteed a killing machine. if you're all smart enough to know that rogues are based in order: dodges, chances on hits, atk power then crit. all in all you can't kill what you can't hit in return but when you do retaliate back you do what more then what anyone character can handle.

now chances rogues still have a hard taking out hunters shamans and sometimes mages and locks.

well that's simple to solve enchant your gear. *duh??
don't just rely on sockets and set bonuses. i know no one is
stupid to think that they are the best cause they got epic.

enchants blacksmiths are also added bonuses.
now what I'd actually like to see from all you calculated brainheads is the total of mix and combine sets with total bonuses that are added up with the highest possible enchants bsmiths and sockets. hopefully doing the math there is hard for anyone nowadays.

Commento di 52384

Ok, here's my thoughts on the Deathmantle armor set. I believe that this set is great for a few reasons. The top being that all you need is the armor pieces as requirment to get them, also that this set is only 5 pieces and has some decent bonuses. I know some of you think that this suit is worse in Hit rating / Crit rating than the T3 set. But I've spent awhile coming up with armor pieces that you can add to this set that make it worthwile. The featured pieces, (including full darkmantle set), are all non - socketed / enchanted. So the end stats could be much better.

Heres your suit, trinkets, rings, and all, that would, IMO, be a great combat rogue suit.

Head : Deathmantle helm
Neck : Worgen Claw Necklace
Shoulders : Deathmantle Shoulderpads
Cloak : Black Iron Battle Cloak
Chest : Deathmantle Chestguard
Wrists : Bracers of Maliciousness
Gloves : Deathmantle Handguards
Belt : Belt of One-Hundred Deaths
Legs : Deathmantle Legguards
Boots : Boots of Utter Darkness (these are great, but being disputed on how to aquire them.)
Ring #1 : Boneslayer Ring
Ring #2 : Band of the Ranger General
Trinket #1 : Romulo's Poison Vial
Trinket #2 : Warpspring Coil

Now, these are the two swords im shooting for :
Main-Hand : Gladiator's Slicer
Off-Hand : Gladiator's Quickblade (Maybe Slicer)

The overall stats with this full suit come out to :

Armor : 2473
Agility : 271
Stamina : 409
Melee Attack Power : 750
Critical Rating : 217
Hit Rating : 164
Strength : 25
Resilience : 18

I'm sorry if my calculations are incorrect in anyway. Also, sorry about adding the swords into the calculations, but those are the one's i'm getting and I added them.

One question I have is :
Would the Gladiator's Quickblade be best for off-hand? I heard somewhere that it's best to have a fast off-hand because of combat potency and the good energy regen rate? But then again the SS would be lower with off-hand.

The second question I have is nooby but... :
When I use SS is there a chance that it will be my off-hand?

Commento di Fugazi

About gems... At first I was "EEW" when I saw yellow/blue sockets but after some math we have as follows:

We all know (or not) that for PvE:
1 AGI = 2 AP = 2 STR = 2 STA = 1 HR = 1 CR

So we have gems:
- red: 8 AGI = 8 + 10% (BoK!) = 8.8
- yellow: 4 AGI + 4 HR = 4.4 + 4 = 8.4
- blue: 4 AGI + 6 STA = 4.4 + 3.3 = 7.7

Now if you check gem set bonuses it turn out that they give you more than just putting all red gems in. Therefore Blizzard not failed here *cheer*

Commento di 59139

tier 5 i pretty sweet until you get merciless gladiator (when you get merciless gladiator your set till a "season 3" gladiator stuff" only things better than deathmantle and merciless gladiator is BM stuff and trust me when you get full tier 6 they will be tier 7 coming along, damn blizzard and they're ideas :P

Commento di 71033

Where can I find boots on the screenshot pls??

Commento di 64424

What is the proc chance on the 4 piece set bonus? The spell itself says 100%, so that only applies to the effect, not the proc.

Commento di 80365

If u have the procc from the 4 piece set bonus, can you get the Relentless Strikes procc and actually gain 25 energy?

Commento di 59139

ap ftw!!!!
screw hit thoguh its good a rogue like my self with surpirse attacks need the ap than just mash the Sinster strike button :P

Commento di 91848

But the problem with this set is the lack of +hit. Now you're propably going to say that it's just 5 pieces or it has sockets. But just count yourself and see what kind of other gear you need to get a respectable hit rating of 260++ while wearing this set. I don't have any pieces from this and my hit is 270 and crit is over 30% with combat talents and I don't really see a point to aim for this set. I would propably rather take some pieces from tier4 set (execpt t4 gloves which are shit) rather than these. 24hit clearly isn't enough and the sockets ain't going to fix that problem.

Commento di 105010

Some of you are missing the boat then. If you're into T5 content then let's look at the other items available to you...

Arcanite steam-pistol = 19 hit
Warp-spring coil = 21 hit
Romulo's Poison Vial = 35 hit (kara stuff that's still great for rounding out +hit when you're short)
Bloodsea Brigand's Vest = 43 hit (socketed with 2x +8 hit and a blue/purple of your choice)
Master Assassin's Wristwraps = +8 hit (Vambracers of Ending could be socketed the same but these are better)
Nyn'jah's Tabi Boots = 29-38 hit (depending how you socket)
Belt of Deep Shadow = 18-34 hit (depending how you socket)

You don't have to stick to socket bonuses. A lot of them aren't worth worrying about anyways. There are enough items available to you at this stage of the game to achieve a hit rating of 280-300+. The goal being to get the 4pc set bonus which is well worth getting and doesn't require the chest from Kael'thas. Bloodsea's rounds out the set nicely due to the hit stacking.

Socketed correctly and achieving 4pc T5, you should be 60+ AP ahead of T4 with more crit and stam. You can't stack as much hit but you don't necessarily need to be hit-capped anyways... a balance is what you're after. This set is definitely a dps upgrade anyways you look at it.

Commento di 79673

is all good but how do i get the friking set lol

Commento di 125463

Now that i have 3 pieces of my t5 set i was actuali wondering if it's worth it to stick to slot colors. Slot color bonuses aren't that great actually and putting gems with agg in all of them is actually a very good idea. The one thing i am still wondering about is that: is it possible that some one socks your slots with for example - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33132
this is actually the best idea for socketing az for agility gives the rogue Crit AP and Dodge ratings and what better if they can't hit you :D

I should add that the META requirements can be fullfiled with like Shifting nightseye and the like so that u don't lose agg.

Commento di 139537

What are some good boots that go with this item set?

Commento di 156664

some people says using more attack power gems or cirt rating gems for this set....find a vehicle to go to moon...and try not to find a vehicle to turn back us

Commento di 139072

isn't there 2 daggers that go with this set?

Commento di Lineli

Needs more hit.

Commento di 59222

For clarification, this is the Rogue Tier 5 Raid Set.

Tokens for this set are available from the following bosses:
Chest - Kael'thas Sunstrider (Tempest Keep)
Gloves - Leotheras the Blind (Serpentshrine Cavern)
Helm - Lady Vashj (Serpentshrine Cavern)
Leggings - Fathom Lord Karathress (Serpentshrine Cavern)
Shoulders - Void Reaver (Tempest Keep)

And their respective tokens are;
Vanquished Champion (Rogue, Shaman, Paladin)
Vanquished Defender (Warrior, Priest, Druid)
Vanquished Hero (Warlock, Mage, Hunter)

There are 5 items in this item set.

Commento di 168818

Here is the Stat comparison to the Tier 4 Netherblade set:
+163 Armor
+63 Agility
+35 Stamina
+22 Attack Power
+56 Crit Rating
-57 Hit Rating
-2 Red Socket
+1 Yellow Sockets
+2 Blue Socket

The following are the Set Bonus Changes:
Tier 5 2 Piece Bonus: "Your Eviscerate and Envenom abilities cause 40 extra damage per combo point."
Tier 5 4 Piece Bonus: "Your attacks have a chance to make your next finishing move cost no energy."

Tier 4 2 Piece Bonus: "Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 3 sec."
Tier 4 4 Piece Bonus: "Your finishing moves have a 15% chance to grant you a combo point."

Commento di Thottbot

Its skeletor from he-man!
I like the looks
Pitty they didnt include boots

Commento di Thottbot

"The Netherblade sets are sold by Asuur (Aldor) or Arodis Sunblade (Scryer) in Shattrath City. They are "purchased" with generic epic armor tokens. The current drop location most of the tokens is unknown, but assumed to drop in the 25-man raid dungeons in Outland."

Commento di Thottbot

While this armor may look to be under powered remember that all that stat bonus are about the same or better agility, attack power, crit strike, stamina and hit rating wise as the Warlord PvP gear. But while giving slightly better stats also remember the set and the potential socket bonuses. With some epic gems this armor would for shure make u the godliest rogue out there. Looks pretty decent for both PvP and PvE! Good luck on getting them though they look to be extremely difficult to obtain!

Commento di Thottbot

tier 4 drops from kara gruul and magtheridon

tier 5 will drop from serpentine caverns and the eye though its possible that some also drop in mount hyjal(at time of writing noone has even downed anything in the eye and the serpentine caverns have not been cleared

2nd and 3rd boss in serpentine drop the gloves and leg tokens respectively.

for all the people wanting to get them prepare for a long wait. Tier 5 may be out of reach for many of us due to the difficulty of the new instances. Kara is hard enough and while I have no doubt that many guilds will do kara gruul and magtheridon, the eye and serpentine caverns may be too much for people.

the opening of the dark portal is hard enough if you think about the other instances and that you need to do them in heroic mode also you are looking at a pretty tough time.

Commento di Thottbot

So, as far as we know, this is so far the most badass looking armor in the game so far as we have all agreed and debated over. The stats are incredible and still leave room for improvement by the players. The sockets however I find are somewhat disappointing. Rogues really don't use many yellow or blue gems. 2 reds, 2 yellows, 2 blues, and a meta. While Netherblade has got 4 reds, a yellow, a blue, and a meta.

Comparison of the stats:
DM = Deathmantle
NB = Netherblade

DM has 186 more Armor than NB
DM has 52 more Agility then NB
DM has 9 more Stamina than NB
DM has 10 more Dodge than NB
DM has 23 less Melee Hit than NB
DM has 20 more Melee Crit than NB
DM has 23 less Ranged Hit than NB
DM has 21 more Ranged Crit than NB
DM has 14 less Melee Crit then NB
DM and NB are dead even for Durability.

As for sources, both Netherblade and Deathmantle do both follow the armor token exchange rules similiar to Bonescythe. As far as we have gathered (for Deathmantle): Head token drops from the end boss in Karazhan, the Hands token drops from the second boss in Serpentine, the Legs token drops off the third boss in Serpantine, and I am just guessing that the Chest and Shoulders tokens drop in Battle of Mount Hyjal instance inside The Caverns of Time. Could someone comfirm this for me?

Level 62 Night Elf Rogue on Thorium Brotherhood

Commento di Thottbot

HEAD-lady vashj drops it in Serpentshrine Cavern.
(coilfang reservoir).

GLOVES-Leotheras the blind drops it in Serpentshrine Cavern (coilfang reservoir).

LEGGINGS-Fathom-lord karathress drops it in Serpentshrine Cavern (coilfang reservoir).

CHESTGUARD-Kael'Thas drop it in (The Eye).

SHOULDERPADS-Void Reaver drops it in (The Eye).

I am 100% sure because i spend days researching.
Just to tell u ... what r the odds of u getting that item in a 10-25 man raid? They will all likly need the item.

I HOPE U FOUND THIS HELPFUL!

Commento di Thottbot

everytime I see this, I feel bad for blizz. They should hire better people to do graphics. This set is da anti-sex.

Commento di Thottbot

Wait...where are all of the rogue tiers? How is this tier 5 when the only others are...
-Deathmantle
-Netherblade
-Bloodfang
-Nightslayer
Am i missing any? Are these even right and if so, is this the order? I'm confused, plz reply.

Commento di Thottbot

Chestgaurd of the Vanquished Champion - Kael'thas Sunstrider in The Eye

Gloves of the Vanquished Champion - Leotheras the Blind in Serpentshrine Cavern

Helm of the Vanquished Champion - Lady Vashj in Serpentshrine Cavern

Leggings of the Vanquished Champion - Fathom-Lord Karathress in Serpentshrine Cavern

Pauldrons of the Vanquished Champion - Void Reaver in The Eye

Commento di Thottbot

tier 1 = nightslayer
tier 2 = bloodfang
tier 3 = bonescythe (naxxramas)
tier 4 = netherblade
tier 5 = deathmantle

just for clarification :P

Commento di Thottbot

people complaining about netherblade being on par or better, just look at the set bonus. deathmantle is way better

Commento di Thottbot

quick question. im on my main character, its a 56 human rogue. all of end game sets looks amazing to me,espicially tier 5 :)

do i have to get tier 1,2,3,4..before i can get 5? or how does it really work.. ne help i appreciated!

Commento di Thottbot

To get tier 5 you don't need to get tier 1, 2, 3, and 4 before.

Commento di Thottbot

To the post above wanting red sockets, AP isnt really your source of damage, its hit rating and every class needs stam especially melee dps and an alive 500dps rogue is better than a dead potential 800 :P

Commento di Thottbot

I would like too point something out, while Technicaly you dont need T4 in order too get T5, most raid guilds running the Eye and SSC have a minimum gear req, in order too join the raid or even the guild you will usualy need a fair bit of T4 or equiv gear anyway. Greens are NOT accepted, and blues have a strict limit on them usualy based on quality and number. Also if your whole raid is in Dungeon set three... rofl@getting down even Void Reaver, by far the esiest T5 dropping boss.

Commento di Thottbot

Deathmantle is..

very good :P

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Deathmantle è lo Set delle Incursioni Tier 5. Lui contiene 5 pezzi. Ha bonus di 2 e 4 pezzi.

	Deathmantle Chestguard (1)
	Deathmantle Handguards (1)
	Deathmantle Helm (1)
	Deathmantle Legguards (1)
	Deathmantle Shoulderpads (1)

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