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Commento di 318

Be aware that rogues have a passive -20% threat modifier.

Commento di Sebas

SPAM THIS when you're DPS-ing in a raid...if you overaggro everyone will get mad of you and you'll be dead in a blink of the eye.

Commento di 8456

Learn to vanish imo. Feint is not that useful and used rarely especially encounters in NAXX. The encounters in NAXX are not threat sensitive.

Commento di 8271

Feint is used but not as much as Feign Death and Vanish, those eliminate all ur aggro from you. Feint only eliminates very little of your aggro, which isnt good since rogues have mad DPS skills.
You can use this but it isnt as great as Vanish.

Commento di DJTyrant

You no longer need the book from AQ20 to get this skill, it is now trainable at rogue trainers.

Commento di Sebas

the problem with vanish is that is has a long cooldown and may not always be avaliable.....and why bother mentioning feign death?

Commento di Hyde

I use this on my 24 rogue to get rid of threat while we have a tank. I will start with an ambush and since Im specced that way i usually hit for 350+. I get most aggro and then I just feint to bring it to someone else while I spam backstab.

Commento di 36028

Feint lvl 6 lowers threat by about 1050 points of normalized damage.
Rogue only get 80% threat from damage so one feint allows you to do about 1300 damage.
However you only take agro when your over 110% of tank threat so these threat points lost will not help a lot after a few minutes of a fight.

So either
use it early not to pick agro to fast
use it often when your close to picking agro
use vanish to completely reset agro

Commento di 33684

With this ability, rogues should never be taking aggro in dungeon/raid situations, a much better threat dump than fade and can be used much faster than Feign Death.
The talent Sleight of Hand will negate an additional 105 damage points per talent point, totaling 210 damage negated per cast.

Commento di 111622

This ability doesn't work. When I use it on a mob, sapped or not, it draws mass aggro. And breaks the sap.

Commento di Jediah

That's 2000 more damage that I've overcome in 1 SECOND. NOT worth the 20 energy spent. You will overcome it, and if you're doing that badly that you are pulling aggro from the tank, then you will be doing 0 DPS. Because you will be dead.

Plus, after more research, apparently I was incorrect. Feint is modified as well by the rogue's inherent threat reduction and threat reduced by spells. So, you only are only reducing your threat by 1050 damage under all conditions. About two auto attacks.

Care to tell me how many autoattacks you do in 10 seconds?

If the tank is limited with threat from the beginning, feint WILL NOT HELP YOU. Neither will vanish in that situation. I'm willing to bet all my gold that a better tank is your best solution.

If you are not a terribad rogue, and you are fighting something that isn't bleed immune, then you should never worry about threat if your tank is worth the gold spent for the repair bill. All of our best finishers (SnD and Rupture) spread the increased threat over time, which means you should not be overcoming rapidly any threat generated by your tank. If you are forced to use eviscerate as a finisher, then it is possible that you might get spikes in threat. However, eviscerate rarely does worth its salt in damage, so it shouldn't be a problem either.

If you reach the threat cap, what will using this spell do? Absolutely nothing worth while. You'll still have to deal with being threat capped. It's quite possible that this will be the only spell you can use; I might give you that one. However, those type of fights are no where near the majority. For the majority of boss fights in the game, feint should not be on your toolbar. It's a waste of a global cooldown. Besides, even on threat sensitive fights, you will get more DPS out of your 20 energy by using something else, especially as you escalate in gear.

And need I remind you that this spell gets worse and worse as you get better gear? I shouldn't, but it appears that I'm going to have to.

Moral of the story: if you are worrying about threat, this spell is not the answer. A new tank is. Either that, or learn to not jump in with DPS from the getgo; a rogue's goal should not be to top the damage charts, but to kill the friggin' boss, so if a delay is needed for threat to be gained, by god, give the tank time!

EDIT: Oh, and in the scenario that you mentioned, you are correct: vanishing from the start is a waste. However, vanishing early (such as 1-2 minutes in) then vanishing again once the cooldown is up should give you plenty of aggro management in a fight such as that.

Commento di 27713

I assume this lowers threat by a static amount.
How much ?

Commento di 94427

Simply makes the target forget the last 1050 dmg you did to it, since it's affected by threat modifiers.

Commento di 16310

Keep in mind that when fighting in melee you need 10% more threat than the tank to get aggro. He will need to surpass you by 10% to take it back.

This means: Use Feint BEFORE getting aggro. Threat meters like Omen and KTL will let you know when the time is right.

Managing threat is a key part of being a good DPSer. Be awesome, use Feint when necessary!

Commento di Thottbot

Must have ability for all instances. Is very useful, especially if you have a bad warrior or tank in your group.

Commento di Thottbot

not just even if your tank is a good tank... if you get gear that inceased your damage you will be hitting this after every backstab on a mob you meet... using this often will also let the mob your attacking go after the offtank if your main tank dies.

Commento di Thottbot

Yeah true. I havent come to a mob so powerful you have to feint to survive as im only just over level30 and so only need to use it to stop myself being tanked or dying at low health from multiples.

Commento di Thottbot

As stated above, Feint is useful when you're grouped (quest/instance/raid, doesn't work for PvP/duels obviously) and the tank can't or won't hold the aggro; meaning the mobs will be beating on you, poor little leather-wearer, instead of the guy/girl wearing plate armor.

It re-directs the hate towards someone else in melee range, so the rogue doesn't take all the damage; note that it doesn't always work, especially if your tank doesn't taunt every now and then.

Commento di Thottbot

U might don't know but rogues "feint" ability (unlike wariors abilitys) simply removes agro from the player. When i'm fighting in a party and i realise that i have draw to much agro... i use "feint" to make the mob start hiting the tank again (or the poor mage that didnt expect this move)! And this ability is what makes rogues the best damage dealers when u r fighting against mobs!

Have u see the "stelthblade" dagger? I found one on "Sunken temple". I'm not shure but i belive that "fade" is the same thing as "feint". Their deference is that fade cause u draw less agro during its activation.

Commento di Thottbot

It isn't like Fade. Same idea, but doesn't work the same. Feint works only on ONE monster, whereas fade works against 1+ monsters. This move is great. You probably been having good tanks if you find this move "useless" or been using it completly wrong. It has saved myself from death a good amount of times in groups. But like I said, you either have a good tank/you're just not using it correctly, or you aren't dealing that much damage to generate enough threat. So it's NOT useless :P

Commento di Thottbot

After i began UBRS, i realised how important this really is! Trust me, you will all have use of it some day. Its a must, and only a lowbie will tell you this is useless.If you newer use this, you have to take breaks damaging... unless you want to take aggro and be tank. Thats why 10 energy is worth it, and i rather want tank dead 1'th than me ;D

Commento di Thottbot

What does faint look like anyway?
Do you act like a corpse?

Commento di Thottbot

My guess is that this skill more acts like the hunters move "Disengage" Which lowers threat instead of a chance to completely get rid of it with feign death. This move will not do any distinct animation, just the main melee strike type deal with some flare attached to it to make it look like ur disengaing with the target or something like that. Basically:

Click to not die

Commento di Thottbot

feint and faint are two differnt words

Commento di Thottbot

whoever says feint is useless, is retarded

Commento di Thottbot

Hunters ability is called Feign Death which removes aggro completley from mobs but can be resisted.

Rogues is as you see faint which is far as good as hunters but it is far away from a worthless skill.
You will use this more or less everytime in instances, espically the higher instances, if you don't need to use this then your dps is gimped and you should find better gear.

And about the post that rogues are the best dps class and just can remove aggro, that is wrong.

Mages can Ice Block, sure it doesn't remove aggro but it gives 10 sec immunity which gives the warrior time to retain aggro, hunters can feign death and warlocks got their thread reduction skill.

Commento di Thottbot

No one so far has not been pacific on using the feint.Can someone plz explain ,when i use feint do i use it on the target i am fighting ( before i strike or during the fight) or do i use feint on the aproching mob. Plz offer a example. Also can i use feint while in stealth or not. Im asuming u need a spacific target to direct the fient

Commento di Thottbot

Feint is a rogue's "oh crap" button when in instances and groups. Say you're in Deadmines, and you're beating on a mob. If you do more damage, or "hate" than the tank, the mob will switch to attacking you. If you "feint", your hate towards that mob lowers, causing the mob to hit the tank instead of you.

To put it in mathematical terms, hate is all about points. The person with the most hate is the one who the mob will attack.

Example:

Before combat, hate points for 1 mob are as follows:

Warrior: 0
Rogue: 0

The tank rushes in with a charge, and hits the mob for 70 damage.

Warrior: 70
Rogue: 0
** Mob is attacking Warrior.

The rogue jumps in and starts doing damage (lets say he does 50), meanwhile the tank is also doing damage (he does another 60).

Warrior: 130
Rogue: 50
** Mob is attacking Warrior.

The warrior is doing sunder armors and still attacking, but suddenly the rogue just landed a huge crit eviscerate for 250 dmg.

Warrior: 230
Rogue: 300.
** Mob has changed targets and is now attacking the Rogue.

Rogue casts Feint, which lowers hate rating by a small amount (lets say by 80).

Warrior: 230
Rogue: 220
** Mob is attacking Warrior.

By using feint, you lower your hate rating against that particular mob and thus save yourself from getting hit.

Commento di Thottbot

We're not discussing taunt. We're discussing feint. And, moves like sunder armor and revenge have fixed threat modifiers, meaning they do proxy damage. You're not actually hitting the mob for the extra damage, but it's as if you did. Learn how aggro works before trying to correct me.

Commento di Thottbot

Unless someone else is hitting on the same mob, this wont save u. It is not like fade or feign death. Its a hate lowering spell. Quite useful in instances when you'll do much more dmg than the tank. Also one of the reasons why a rogue is better dps than for example mage. Simply cuz the rogue can control his aggro, mages cant do that.

Commento di Thottbot

now i am gonna learn it at lvl 50 :)
i was thinking that it was waste of money b4 reddogs explanation ty reddog and Avye you are noob

Commento di Thottbot

Feint is not meant to save your ass if you pull aggro, that's Vanish. When you get good weapons, Feint will become part of your rotation, think about that...every 10 seconds, for 20 energy you remove over 1 thousand threat from the mob. That's amazing, that means you can deal more damage without pulling aggro.

(I'm referring to the level 70 one).

Commento di Thottbot

People keep comparing this ability to Feign Death... that is so untrue.

Feint is "equal" to Disengage, bcuz they both (permanently) remove a set amount of threat, like RedDog so perfectly explained.
Feign Death is more similar to Vanish, bcuz they both (permanently) wipe ALL aggro.

And: Fade is not really "similar" to any of the 4 mentioned abilities, Fade is a TEMPORARY aggro-reducer.

Commento di Thottbot

I find it funny that a skill called "faint" would require energy to perform. HA!

Commento di Thottbot

How can so many people not get this?

Commento di Thottbot

As the above states vanish is like the hunters FD, while Feint is more like the pets growl, it takes just one or 2 to move aggro off of you.

Commento di Thottbot

~A welcome addition in any action-bar when PvEing~
If you pull aggro then press this button, and it tricks your target into ignoring you so it returns to fighting the tank. You psyched it out, faked it out, it's a 'feint' (French for pretend).

Dropping aggro allows you to return behind a target while it's attentions are back on someone else. Black Morass anyone? What a lifesaver in Khara too.

Aggro reduction seen many times and useful as ****
see Priest's Fade https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=25429/fade
Muck-Covered Drape https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=25827/muck-covered-drape
Hypnotist's Watch https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=25786/hypnotists-watch

and as a Rogue, Timelapse Shard https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=2918/deprecated-coif-of-inner-strength
It's a trinket useful for grinding Black Morass rep and certain boss encounters. Your tank will heart you for it.

Commento di Thottbot

Guys what does this do? i dont understand! can some one explain? thanks!

Commento di Allakhazam

lol this is a crapy move... its not cool i have a 60 hunter i got the fake death at 30 and rogues get it at lvl 16 :(

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Feint

Feint

20 Energy	Portata di mischia

Istantaneo	10 s di recupero

Performs a feint, causing no damage but lowering your threat by a small amount, making the enemy less likely to attack you.

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Normale

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20 Energy

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5 metri (Combat)

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10 secondi

GCD

1 secondo

Effetto

Threat
Valore: -150
[PVP Multiplier: ]1

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[Do Not Sheath]
[Discount Power On Miss]

Feint

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