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Commento di Thottbot

No actually if countered...

THE END for you :P

Good, yes. Annoying, yes. Unstopable, no.

Commento di Thottbot

i read somewhere that fear has diminishing returns (ie, the first time you fear something it is feared for 20 seconds, the second time 10 seconds, the third time 5 seconds, fourth+ it is always resisted) however people on thottbot seem to be talking about fearing things over and over for 20 seconds each time. is this pvp only or does it apply to pve or is it even true at all?

Commento di Thottbot

Yes, it has diminishing returns just like you said.
No, it can never be casted more than 3 times on a single player.

P.S. it shares its diminishing returns with seduce...

It's a good spell, but it isn't really overpowered. There are half a dozen counters for fear... There's even a blacksmithing trinket that makes you immune to fear long enough for a warrior to beat most locks.

Commento di Thottbot

Say a Rogue comes and Ambush's you, or ya know, whatever they do as an opening move, just wait until they strike, or the stun wares off, then Death Coil, then Fear, then do what you wish. But for all you lowbies out there, If you find a Rogue or Druid, keep him/her DOTed! Same concept with most Casters. Mages, for example, revolve around magic and casting. Simply Curse of Tongues him/her, and they become tremendously outcasted. See how the tables can be easily turned? That is, unless your fighting a Warrior. My opionion then is to simply keep him seduced and wait for his Berserker Rage to ware off. Then Fear, and if he resists, or is still immune, Death Coil, and Fear again...The way I see it, Fear to a Warlock is almost as important as Stealth is to a Rogue. Without Fear, a Warlock is very possibly the most gymped thing in the game, especially as the higher-damage casts are 2+ seconds, which is plenty of time for the guy your fighting to beat the &*!@ out of you. 'Sides, all the anti-fear trinkets aren't much help either...((Sorry for the unusually long post guys! :P))

Commento di Thottbot

I really can't understand why so many people call locks "imba" because of fear and dots or soulfire /etc . For certain situations it can really put someone out of action and buy time to the lock to kill him , BUT it cannot happen if someone knows how to counter it. Horde undead can be a lock's nightmare and especially an undead mage. Even if hit by a death coil and be dotted and then get feared pop the will and within these 5sec the mage should be able to put down a lock just with instants (if specced correctly). +the fact that he can't be feared again because of counterspell (silence even better). So if the ud mage can't put down a lock within 10-15sec(should be enough) he dies ...

Commento di Thottbot

If someone is undead seduce is useless ... after succubus uses the spell and gets revealed and ordered to attack you she is going down pretty easily while hitting the lock the same time with certain spells / abilities. Everything has a counter and please tell me how you are going to beat a ud rogue(that knows how to play his class) that spots you first and stunlocks.

Commento di Thottbot

Yes, I understand there is a dozen ways to counter fear but only a few ways per character. In my case I have to use my alliance trinket, cast counterspell, or hope my resists work.

Hopefully I get him to use fear or howl of terror first so I can use counterspell and then I can spam instant casts and high damage spells fast. If he uses deathcoil it is instant and that sucks for me, good thing it has a decent cooldown. I would use my trinket only for deathcoil, because the only fear he has left is at a short distance. I can spam from 36 yards away while he can only fear me at a max range of 24. So I frost spec can keep my distance.

DOT's are cleared from ice block. Ice barrier is instant cast for his ranged spells and pet. If all else fails cold snap and try again.

If I can avoid getting feared, even with the 60 resist's to spell's from felhunter, I can own any warlock no matter what. I understand fear is not broken or overpowered. I also understand a warlock uses fear, howl of terror, and deathcoil as a crutch. So I take away the crutch and keep my distance.

This may also help...
Loatheb's Reflection Trinket 13 SR /+40 all for 20 secs 2 min cooldown
Trinket Moag�s Eye? Decrease 100 resistance all magic
Cloak of Untold Secrets 20 SR Back
Garb of Royal Ascension 25 SR Chest
Runed Stygian Boots 20 SR Feet
Ring of Binding 10 SR finger
Ukko's Ring of Darkness 20 SR Finger
Darkbind Fingers 20 SR Glove
Netherwind Crown 10 SR Head
Skull of Burning Shadows 10 SR off hand
Wraith Blade no SR but best 1h for mages plus 95 dam/heal
Staff of the Qiraji Prophets 10 SR 2 hand
Runed Stygian Leggings 25 SR
Amulet of Shadow Shielding 20 SR
Arcanist Mantle 7 SR
Runed Stygian Belt 20 SR
Funeral Cuffs 10 SR level 59

230 Shadow Resistance

I, of course, would only equip against warlocks and shadow priests but at least I have the macro to switch it fast while out of combat. Also realize the 1h plus off-hand is not combined with 2h weapon for my totals. But by using the formulas posted on wow's main page for a level 50 user, my educated guess, (AKA not fact,) is that this should resist about 55-60 percent of most shadow spells and direct damging spells I resist roughly
11%-full resist
34%-75% resist
40%-50% resist
14%-25% resist
1%-Full damage

Can you tell I really hate getting feared by warlocks?

Commento di Thottbot

The range is 20 yards, and the cast time is 1.5 sec. With grim reach spec, the range is increased to 24 yards. Is this enough to fear someone before the opponent is close enough to melee (when running at normal speed)? in that case, grim reach should improve fear a lot and definitely worth some talent points. Ofc it wouldn't help against warrs, since the charge has 25y range =(...but cannot be used when in combat =D.

Commento di Thottbot

Well it doesnt matter now, Blizz changed it so that it last for 12secs along with hunter traps ans sap also and everything eles that is above 12 secs

Commento di Thottbot

i think what they are trying to say is that if u have some1 feared, but they have 2 DoTs, they will still be feared. but if they are being feared and u fire a shadowbolt at them, there may be a chance that fear will stop

Commento di Thottbot

Fear is preatty balenced now,and there are many ways ou can counter it.And I do not depend on fear,we dont need to.

Commento di Thottbot

earlier post about escape artist
imo second best racial after wotf. nothing to lol about.

Commento di Thottbot

You said locks dont need to depend on fear... I will gladly duel any lock with any class and if they dont use fear i can guarantee an easy win everytime. Locks without fear is like a warrior without a weapon... Totally useless....In PVP of course...in PVE locks are still good as long as they are not getting attacked.

Commento di Thottbot

Mages r easy to combat after 30 without fear. ever heard of the felhunter?

Commento di Thottbot

Fear is totally balanced! When people find out I'm a warlock they automatically tell me fear is riddged and crap. It can be easily countered before casted by countless stuns and dispelled when casted by several spells and trinkets. And a warlock w/o fear is like a warrior w/o a weapon, useless? This is not true, many of the experienced warlocks do not need to cast fear spams or even fear at all to win 1 on 1 battles, it's a given. Fear spam is only for those affliction warlocks who need to sacrifice their void walker every match in order to win. Destruction warlocks can easily dish out 5k damage in a matter of seconds. Besides, every time I cast fear they always run out of casting range and I'm too lazy to chase them =P

Commento di Thottbot

fear is warlocks main defence with out it they might as well stand there and die while fighting.If your thining saduce not all locks are going to be destruction and killing your void for a shield isn't that great.

Commento di Thottbot

Does Fear spell have diminishing returns against a monster?

Commento di Thottbot

Lol u guys are retarded. FEAR HAS A 12 SECOND TIME ON IT! The patch hasn't come out yet so STFU all u noobs.

Commento di Thottbot

12 secs time? Yea its great if it lasts more than 6-7 secs. And there are so many abilities that counter fear like Death Wish/Berzerger Rage, clos, wotf, trinket, bubbles, ice block, etc...

Commento di Thottbot

Well tbh Fear has a 8 seconds duriation in PVP. and that is Max!
next fear procs for les. the one after that even lesser and the 4th isnt possible. says imuum.
We are already nerved so please quit begging for nerfs!

Commento di Thottbot

Fear isn't always really needed, say a rogue cheap shots me, the second I get stunned, the second my succ starts to cast Seduce, the rogue should be off in notime, say he doesn't pop any trinket. I'd run off a bit, start casting a soul fire, after that, I'd blow immolate, then conflag, depending on if anyone crits, the rogue should be dead, if not, I'll follow out with spams of Searing Pain, Shadowfury and a deathcoil if needed.

Commento di Thottbot

Fear and howl of terror are 2 different things so you can use them both.

Fear can be decreased to a 1.3 cast time and 50% chance to avoid interupt from gear.

Commento di Thottbot

Just a few things: 1st. from i dont know which patch (prolly 2.3 one more one less i really dont care ) fear is additionaly weakened every damage over ( I am not sure 100% ) 500 or 1000 in both PvP and PvE will remove fear from target. So if u cast fear and than one SB u may say "Bye Bye Fear".

2nd. Ok i agree fear is nice spell ,well it is nice until u reach lvl 70 than ppl start to PvP and similar and every one gets Insignia or Medallion ( anti fear trinkets earned by pvping alot)
and than when u cast first fear ( which is like 8-10 sec) u use that so u lose that one second fear is already 4-5 secs and third well there is just no use to cast that one it will brake before u cast it and 4th becomes immune. So u really only have 1 REAL fear with u and if u manage to cast Howl of Terror.

3rd. Fear is spell which is not updated ( i mean by rank ) since lvl 56! Many things change since lvl 56 i think Blizz really should have put another rank which will be of better quality.

-- Now a bit off subject(but still about warlocks ) --

There are many spells which warlock just cant use and which are probably his most powerful spells and most used. Like Curse of Doom ( ok ok i know too powerful maybe someone will think ) but really that spell is not that powerful as they think it is.
First it has 1 minute till it reacts so u have 1 whole minute to do something, u can do many things in that time to remove that curse from u in that time.
Second there are only 2 ranks of that spell one u get on lvl 52 i think and it deals 3.2k damage ( but remember after 1 minute ) and rank 2 i think lvl 70 u get it and it deals only 1k more damage so 4.2k which is not that much if u compare 18 lvls
OL and Azaroth. I am talkin about damage when this spell is not buffed usually it makes ( with shadow damage appropriate for that lvl ) on lvl 52 around 4.5k damage-5k and on lvl 70 around 6-7k damage so it cant kill one lvl 70 player not even one who is kind of geared badly ofc if he is that badly geared he shouldnt play pvp. To continue on lvl 50 elite mobs have around 4-5k HP so one CoD can kill it and on lvl 70 one elite mob has around 15k HP and more so one CoD is not even close of killing that elite mob which means u see how much CoD is weakened at lvl 70 and it is still not used in pvp ( even tho it should be ) ...

Sry about that long speech but i thikn ppl should know few things more about other classes and i decided to say here about warlocks. They shouldnt just cry saysing that someone or something is overpower coz it is not warlock for example is very crippled PvP class but it still manages to kill almost every other class.

To say few more words about fear ...
- Fear maybe is very overpowered spell until lvl 70 but when u reach 70 it becomes almost useless if u fight in arena warlock will fear u maximum 3 times . if u are smart on first u will use trinket . On second u will try to use some special ability to interrupt fear effect and third is so short that there is no use to try to avoid fear it is just too short ( usually around 2 sec ) SO pls stop crying about warlock is OP fear is OP and everything similar like rogues are cowards ( which they are :P ) coz every class can kill rogue every class have abilities to kill other class one maybe has some difficulty to kill other class but it is possible and it has been done many many many times.

Ty for listen and i hope i didnt make too many mistakes and i hope if u did read all this that u have learned few things about warlocks about behavior and everything else .

---------------------- TY ------------------

And remember u should enjoy and play the game not live the game and get pissed because of no god damn reason. Peace all.

Commento di Thottbot

Few more thing about fear ( from Wowwiki.com )

- Counters

* Items that can dispel fear:
o Glimmering Mithril Insignia grants immunity to fear for 30 sec when used.
o Phaseshift Bulwark makes the wearer immune to fear when used for 4 sec.
* Hunter pets of hunter's with the Bestial Wrath talent are immune to fear.
* Priests can use Fear Ward to prevent one fear effect working over a 3 min period.
* Warriors can use Berserker Rage to become immune to fear for 10 sec or use Recklessness for 15 sec.
o Warriors with the Tier 5 Arms talent Death Wish can use it to be immune to fear for 30 sec.
* Forsaken characters can use their racial trait Will of the Forsaken to dispel fear.

Wowwiki says that it will last 12 secs but that 12 secs have been decreased to 10 so pls someone said 12 ... dont be smart and write something before u check that.

And again post about immunity

- Abilities dealing with immunity to fear:

* Forsaken (Racial): Will of the Forsaken (5 seconds)
* Hunter: The Beast Within (talent), Bestial Wrath (talent for pet); neither breaks fear already on
* Mage: Ice Block (Requires Frost Mage, 5 min cooldown)
* Paladin: Divine Shield (12 seconds)
* Priest: Fear Ward (1 charge), does not break fear already on target
* Warrior: Berserker Rage(Berserk), Recklessness(Berserk), Death Wish(talent) (10/15/30 seconds)
* Items: Insignia of the Alliance/Insignia of the Horde, Medallion of the Alliance/Medallion of the Horde, Glimmering Mithril Insignia

And about updates where it says 12 secs but read closly adn u will see that it varies

- * Patch 2.1 - "The increased chance for a spell to break from taking a critical strike has been removed. Instead, all targets over level 60 have a slightly larger chance to break out of crowd-controlling effects when they take damage."
* Patch 2.0 - All crowd control effects (with the exception of Sap) have a chance each second to break earlier, and their duration is capped at 12 seconds. The chance increases with resistances and the level difference between the target and the caster.

I guess they forgot to say that fear mostly does 8-10 secs CC in PvP and that damage larger than 500 or 1000 ( not sure 100%)
will brake fear instantly ... ( i am talking about before it said physical damage will brake the fear effect or something like that now it just says damage may brake...)
This is talk from expiriance.

And a bit more about how to deal with fear

- Abilities dealing with preventing fear:

* Druid: Primal Tenacity (talent)
* Priest: Unbreakable Will (talent)
* Paladin: Unyielding Faith (talent)
* Rogue: Nerves of Steel (talent)

Abilities dealing with fear once it is on:

* Shaman: Tremor Totem 20 yard radius, removes when placed and every 4/5 (?) seconds after.

Ty again for reading i hope this will help opposite side ( enemys :P ) in beating warlocks and every other class which got fear.

--- All thanks to this post goes to www.Wowwiki.com ---
I love u Wowwiki but not as much as Thottbot :P

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Fear

Fear

12% della base mana	Portata di 20 m

1.5 s di lancio

Strikes fear in the enemy, causing it to run in fear for up to 20 sec. Damage caused may interrupt the effect. Only 1 target can be feared at a time.

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Fear	Magic

Feared.
20 secondi rimanenti

Dettagli dell'incantesimo

Durata

20 secondi

Scuola

Ombra

Meccanica

Fuggire

Tipo di Dissipare

Magia

Categoria GCD

Normale

Costo

12% della base mana

Portata

20 metri (Short)

Tempo di lancio

1.5 secondi

Recupero

n/d

GCD

1.5 secondi

Possibilità di Attivare Aura

100%

Massimi Bersagli

1 - Predefinito

Effetto #1

Apply Aura: Fear
[PVP Multiplier: ]1

Effetto #2

Apply Aura: Increase Run Speed %
Valore: 25%
[PVP Multiplier: ]1

Variabili

Non Può Essere Utilizzato Mentre Trasformare
[Heartbeat Resist]
L'aura Può Colpire un solo Obiettivo

Fear

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Dettagli dell'incantesimo

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