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Commento di 11277

Compared to the season 1 Vindication set, we get these improvements:

Armor: +639
Strength: +17
Stamina: +31
Intellect: +19
Healing/Damage done: +23
Melee/Range Crit rating: +18

As a side note, item cost for Season 1 gear and sets will be lowered by 15%.

Commento di asaphelps

Compared to tier 5 "DPS" https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/itemset=629:

+148 Armor
-4 Strength
-76 Agility (Ouch)
+49 Stamina
+9 Intellect
-54 Spell damage
+115 Melee Crit rating (Woo)
-44 Melee Hit Rating
+2 Red Sockets
-3 Yellow Sockets

So basically, Merciless has less agility in exchange for Melee crit rating (Not sure if you lose or gain crit), one less socket overall, and less spell damage, but more stamina. Pretty similiar, overall. And I'm sure its a lot easier to get Merciless than convincing your guild to let you have your ret t5 ;).

Commento di Shola

Who can tell me why does this set does not have Resilience?

I still don't get why the other 2 Paladin sets have it, but this one doesn't... because you can kill your opponent faster? That's the only logical answer I can think of.. and even that doesn't make sense when looking at the Warrior honor/arena gear.

Commento di carnalis

season 1 :
Chest - 1630
Gauntlets - 978
Helm - 1630
Legguards - 1630
Shoulders - 1304

set - 7172

season 2 :
Chestguard - 1875
Gloves - 1125
Headcover - 1875
Legplates - 1875
Spaulders - 1500

set - 8250

difference - 1078 (approx. 3 weeks with a "normal" team)

Commento di 77604

Am I the only one who has noticed that the shoulders' texture is poorly "converted" from the original set? The edge around them (which should have been recolored dark brown/black/whatever) still has it's original blue color.

Ever since I saw it, I just can't enjoy looking at the set anymore, it bugs me like crazy :(

Commento di Abraxin

Well when you think about it, the lack of resilience and +hit isn't too much of a problem. You can fix the +hit with Precision in the Prot tree and help manage your crits a bit more with Divine Purpose in the Ret tree. Add on any other resilience gear from PvP rewards and you should be pretty much okay. In my eyes, the difference isn't so much that you will lose cause of it. But, It would have been nice to have had a bit more resilience though :)

To me, this is probably the only real option for PvE Ret as well, since guilds are so stuck up lol. Though I still think that T5 Ret is better for PvE cause of the set bonuses :D

~M_D~ Nice little PvP build I made with this in mind :) https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=aZxhuhMbZVbTtM0uVhRt

Commento di 116595

all though i havnt been a lvl 70 paladin long, ive developed a solid PvE/PvP specc

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=sxZZEfctMcuiIst

i dont know what you guys think about it...

Commento di 70100

>> Winterstrife

Total cost for the entire set in patch 2.4 (when S4 starts) would be

The Season 4 doesn't start with patch 2.4, or rather to say it didn't. A lot of rumors are going around (maybe just my server) that it will come approximatly 7-8 weeks after patch 2.4

But the other things you said were correct. Except for maybe one thing, we've reached Phase 3 (on the Isle of Quel'Danas - the Shattered Sun Offensive) and I've seen that we're now able to purchase S1 for Tier 4 tokens and so on, so maybe the S1 will stay.

Commento di Liseda

Season 2 - Honor Price
Paladin Retri Set
Will be introduced when S4 comes.

Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Gauntlets

10500 Honor
20 Alterac Valley Marks

Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Helm

14500 Honor
30 Alterac Valley Marks

Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Legguards

14500 Honor
30 Warsong Gulch Marks

Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Shoulders

11250 Honor
20 Arathi Basin Marks

Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Chestpiece

14500 Honor
30 Arathi Basin Marks

Total:

65250 Honor
50 Arathi Basin Marks
50 Alterac Valley Marks
30 Warsong Gulch Marks

Commento di 83938

Just checked the Hall of Legends, the season 2 gear is now available for purchase using honor points & battleground tokens.

Commento di 153877

is it possible to trade is s1 gear for s2 gear or u got to refarm the honor and marks to get the gear

Commento di Thottbot

No idea why Blizzard did not put resilience into any of these pieces (with the exception of the trivial set bonus) despite their use in arena?

Commento di Thottbot

Blizzard need to give us a talent like.

Increase spell damage up to 50% of your total strength.

Then remove spell damage off pvp sets and add resilence.
remove some spell damage off our raid sets and add mana over time.

Mana over time is highly needed to sustain dps!

Commento di Thottbot

Are you guys forgetting that ret paladins get a tallent for -10% crit damage taken from melee & Ranged attacks ? not sure if the ranged part applys to magic but that may explain why they havnt put more resilience into any of the ret paladin sets plus 40 resilience is only about -2% crit damage and -1% crit chance @ level 70 anyway

Commento di Thottbot

another reason might be that palas have bubble which is awesome in arenas, also it might be for the talent "eye for an eye" which triggers when taking spell crit dmg

Commento di Thottbot

Well all the defensive skills pallys have are already balanced around them having the lowest DPS. They should be a bit harder to kill. Blizz could have worked resilience onto this set easily enough, other hybrid DPS sets have it. Killing an elemental shammy, who will be close to a pally in armor due to using a 1hand +shield, when they have 10k health, over 300 resilience and a good amount of +dmg/healing is no walk in the park either.

Commento di Thottbot

pallys own. nuff said

Commento di Thottbot

Ret pally's do need AGY ^&*! on my I enchant as much AGY as i can it helps dodge is like 9% so deck ur *!@# out with it and pop those str gems in and deal some massive dmg on those @#$%^'s also bubble sux now in arena's priest debuff that $%^& so instead AW thier ass (increase dmg by 30%) GG

Commento di Thottbot

even shockadins get resilience.

Commento di Thottbot

I have a question does a Ret Pally get Critical strike rating? or do they get Spell critical strike rating? Also they go for strength, stam, agility, and attack power? or do they also need some spell damage?

Commento di Thottbot

this set not having any recilience is almost good, no item points spent on recilience but on more important stats. Atleast I haven't seen any retri palas in arena this set is good for raiding/grinding where recilience isn't as important as other stats. Arena healers need recilience as they'll often be nuked first, and some arena healers buy the "tanking set" (aka lamellar) for the stamina and then just put healing gems on it so they need the recilience aswell.

Commento di Thottbot

Reason not to give resilience on our sets:
1st) They already give very good stats so what would you like to be removed? Prefer resilience than crit chance? NO! And if you do, then your not a good retpala because retpalas need instant high dmg to kill the oponent (crit chance) and they are not made to sustain dps.
2nd) We have that retribution talent for 10% less crit chance on you... Isn't that enough?
3d) That's what sockets are made for! You can choose the stats you want/need, just put some resilience in the sockets dudes...

Commento di Thottbot

I have only 100ish resilience and that is only because i have the socket bonuses and the Veteran's Band of Triumph, Veteran's Pendant of Triumph, and Veteran's Plate Belt(Scaled for feet and wrist), and i have the blacksmith chest. plus if u recall pallies rely on armor more (that is y r repair bill is so much :/) and the talent that reduces crit to u is worthless. so having 100ish resilience is about as good as u can get. maybe season 3 will have some. plus i found the formula to find out how much crit u will get from agi and crit rate.

Agi / 25 = crit%
Crit rate / 20.37 = crit%

i think there should be a talent that increase magic damage by 50% of str. also there should a talent to included in Sanctified Judgement to do what shammy's earth shock does.

Commento di Thottbot

but the thing is the set gives 35+ resilience for only 2 pieces i know that isn't much but i would try and get the set and just get bracers that have resilience, a belt that has resilience and a weapon that has resilience but still it would be nice if the set added some resilience. Or just wait for the lich king expansion sure that there will be some sick new items ther.

Commento di Thottbot

According to 2.4 PTR Patch notes, blizzard is changing "items intended for retribution paladins" to have better stats. It is yet unconfirmed, but suspected, that s1 and s2 Vinidication sets will be changed.

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Merciless Gladiator's Vindication

Merciless Gladiator's Vindication è lo Set da Arena Stagione 2. Lui contiene 5 pezzi. Ha bonus di 2 e 4 pezzi.

	Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Chestpiece (1)
	Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Gauntlets (1)
	Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Helm (1)
	Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Legguards (1)
	Merciless Gladiator's Scaled Shoulders (1)

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2 pezzi: +35 Resilience Rating.
4 pezzi: Reduces the cooldown of your Hammer of Justice by 10 sec.

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